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Support Cast for DubTV arranged in a Brady Bunch Opening Fashion

DubPoints Supporting Cast

By Eric Hersey

Over the years we have seen hundreds of DubPoint competitors. We have seen random contestants join and make huge names for themselves. We have also seen known names join and fizzle out. Between these groups we find the DubPoints middle class. These players stick around, do just enough to be included, but not enough to ever win.

John Wyatt Edgar usually includes a few new names each contest. Most are new co-workers. But each go around, there is a small percentage that Edgar has almost no relationship with.

Supporting Cast

Many DubPoint competitors gain friends and followers throughout the tournament. These supports sometimes show up in social network threads, commenting with support. Others lend support with their creative efforts by video or graphics. Some make such an impact that they are thrown in the game. Most have their few minutes of fame and are never seen again.

Let’s take a look at some of the more notable DubPoint Supporting Cast.

Friday Bastulo

Friday Bastulo

Friday debuted in DubPoints IX along side Bobby Casserole. Anchor of DubTV, Friday’s quick wit, snark, and general demeanor kept the audience entertained and wanting more. He made appearances throughout the next few tournaments but has been unseen in years. His last appearance was on Casserole’s DubPoints Live in 2016.

Where is Friday Now?

Although we don’t have contact with Friday, we have resources telling us he has changed his name to Issac Whitebody and is in hiding from the Irish mob.

Penny Dimes

Penny Dimes with Forecast
Penny made a one time appearance and provided a very detailed forecast of DubPoints in 2013. “Dimes on the Ten” was a fun, yet often unseen program that helped advance her ‘friend’ to the next round.

Where is Penny now?

Some say that Penny stopped giving the news but remained doing her part for the news. She may have been upgraded to a quarter by now.

Linus and Lomus

Linus and Lomus Casserole Dogs

When Bobby and Billy Casserole (more on him later) battled it out in 2016, their pets got involved in the action. Linus and Lomus were never entered into DubPoints, even though many feel pets should not be segregated from the contest.

Where are they now?

Linus is sleeping on your couch right now (occasionally barking at the UPS driver). Unfortunately we lost Lomus several months after the recording. RIP Lomus.

Saturday Dollar-Short

Saturday Dollar-Short Sonic The Hedgehog Fan

We had Friday and soon we got Saturday. Originally just Saturday Dollar, he found himself joining the Short family and added the hyphen to his name. Saturday was known for his great knowledge on Sonic the Hedgehog. He had a few brief cameos over the years.

Where is Saturday now?

Saturday has left Sonic behind and moved on to Fortnite. Sometimes you can still hear him humming the Marble Zone Theme.

Mike Smith

Mike Smith
Mike Smith is known for his love of Penguins. He was brought on as a guest by Bobby Casserole to give everyone their fix of penguin news. Mike was the Steve Irwin of DubPoints. He fascinated his audience with his little known facts about his tuxedo dressed friends.

Where is Mike Smith now?

Mike decided to move in the polar opposite direction and now lives in Florida and studies manatees.

Billy Casserole

Billy Mother F'n Casserole
Billy’s story never came to a full close and that is partially due to his wildcard nature. Billy showed up, unwanted, on Casserole’s DubPoints Live broadcast. Claiming to be the brother of Bobby, Billy had a mustache which caused many to miss the resemblance. The truth came out that they were indeed brothers, even if Bobby still denies.

Where is Billy now?

That’s a great question. Many say that he cut his hair, shaved his mustache, and lives in the county – making websites. Others say that he disappeared in a stamp like Tommy Tricker.

Vote for Hersey – Hard Worker


No one worked harder than the Hard Worker from DubPoints IX. This working man fixed cars and hammered nails to get our attention for a great cause. Many say that without hard working Hard Worker, the Vote Hersey campaign would have never worked.

Where is Hard Worker now?

Working Hard.

Justin Benline

Justin Benline

Benline might be the most famous from this group. Justin was even in the latest tournament (DubPoints XIV) but probably is best known for his non-competition involvement. Ever since his controversial victory over Eric Hersey in the first round of DubPoints XI. When Edgar wouldn’t allow the match to end on a Madden outcome, Justin boycotted life. He did have his own talk show in 2014, but was never seen on camera.

Where is Justin Benline now?

Justin has not been seen for decades. He is now being talked about like the legends of Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster. There are web cameras established all over Moundsville in hopes that they catch a glimpse of the man.

CLOSING

DubPoints contestants come and go. We have touched on several of the supporting cast over the years but did not discuss ALL. Many of the characters that show up in videos, graphics, threads, live streams, etc… have become names in their own rights. Most of them deserve their own articles on DubPoints.com.

When you think of DubPoints, many picture John Wyatt Edgar in their head. This is something that should change over the years. When the end credits run, I want you to picture the faces of Bobby, Friday, Saturday, Mike, Lomus, etc…

Picture them all standing together. Let your ‘mind-camera’ zoom out and see the faces of Lance Delbrugge and David Dodrill. Keep zooming and see a beautiful rainbow, unicorns, and butterflies.

Zoom completely out and see ALL of the DubPoints contestants over the years…..

…and a Wheel.

DubPoints Supporting Cast - but really muppets.

I would like to thank John Wyatt Edgar for giving me his blog to play with over the last several days. It has been a good time and more importantly, it has allowed me to gain some points.

 

Decoding DubPoints Part Two

Decoding DubPoints: Part Two

by Eric Hersey

Eric Hersey holds up DubPoints Trophy

I won DubPoints on two separate occasions. Although I wasn’t able to find the results for every tournament, I don’t recall ever losing before the Elite 8. I credit this success to understanding the ‘random’ scoring system.

Edgar has been rather secretive with the scoring over the years. Although I have had many conversations, interviews, and interactions, Edgar remained tight lipped on his scoring. Often conspiracy theorists like Luke Bumbico would claim there is no actual system – just randomness and favoritism. This has elements of truth, but is not entirely factual.

Luke Bumbico has no shortage of DubPoints Conspiracy Theories.

DubPoints IX proved that Edgar can adjust the scoring when he sees fit. Spencer Connor had to split the championship with yours truly, Eric Hersey, when Edgar decided that neither one of us should lose. I can’t imagine a sophisticated scoring system would end in a tie – odds would believe Edgar deviated to do what was best for his brand.

On other occasions, we have seen the exact same production from contestants day over day and varying results. With a sliding scale (based on everyone else’s involvement), how can anyone accurately predict their probability of winning?

Understanding the Basic Math

DubPoints scores competitors on five categories: Effort, Value, Availability, Creativity, and Publicity. In most cases (although this might have changed over the years), Edgar awards points to each of the categories by a ranking system. Whoever he viewed as being number 1 in creativity takes the most points, the second person gets slightly less points, and so on. The bank of points for a given category is distributed by the number of contestants. As people are eliminated, the gap between 1st and 2nd grow larger (all other rankings as well).

Early in the tournament, you can put limited effort into all categories and usually outscore most of the field. If seeding is done correctly, you will advance just by playing attention. This was especially true when the rounds were 4-5 days long.

Once all of the non-players were removed, your best case to advance was to pick one of two strategies.

  • Availability and Value (Sprinkled with Publicity)
  • Creativity, Publicity, and Effort

Before Live Streaming on Social platforms, videos were more effective due to the effort in filming and editing.

Option 1: Hanging out with Dub

You could easily own two categories in DubPoints with minimal effort. Many times contestants would go to Dubs house and not leave. If you had 8-10 hours, you would get full points. While hanging out, bring a gift, pay for a meal, or show John a great time and get rewarded with value. Make sure you are posting images and videos on social and earn your publicity points.

Inviting Edgar to an outing or just sitting at his house had man contestants scrambling.

This may have been the easiest way to advance. As long as you didn’t score zeroes In the other categories, you would surely advance. We have seen many champions: Lance Delbrugge and Justine Mentzer win with this being their main game plan.

Option 2: Creating and Distributing Content

DubPoints YouTube Channel
Luckily, the utilization of YouTube keeps some of these (awful) gems alive.

There is no way I can write this strategy and not sound biased. This is a much more difficult path to victory, but highly rewarding for creative types. By creating something (video, work of art, elaborate storyline, etc…) and posting online, you are awarded in three categories. In most cases, the more creative – the more effort was put in. If it is creative and entertaining enough, the more comments and publicity.

Since creativity is not something everyone excels in, this category was a bit easier to win. Most competitors won’t put forth the effort into creating something new. This means less competition. This is a huge factor in the later stages of the tournament when the difference between 1st place and 4th place could be 20-30 points.

Knowing Your Competition

Once you pick your strategy, you need to cater against your opponent. Understand their relationship with John Edgar.

  • Do they work together?
  • Will they pay for lunches?
  • Have they shown signs of creativity in the past?
  • Do they have a large online following?

If you can find three obvious weaknesses, exploit those and put all of your energy in defeating them in those three areas.

If you find two weaknesses, exploit them but be prepared to pull out your best in at least one other category.

Planning For the Future

These shortened rounds have less chance to rest (unless your gamble with the wheel paid off). Before a tournament begins, think of some out of the box ideas for the contest. Have these ideas in your back pocket for when you find yourself in a battle. Up until that moment, do the least possible to win.

Save your time, energy, and value for when you need it. Once you know you are going into a battle, hit them hard on the first day. Often this will force the competitor to throw in the towel mentally (this is a pointless contest, remember?). If you haven’t showed them the goods up until this point, they likely didn’t do the work to get a good score and you could have a sizable lead. This works only once. Use the rest of your ideas when needed.

The Justin Benline Hour was planned and recorded several weeks before most of the contest.

Tips and Tricks that Work Every-time

  • Always offer something of value to Edgar – everyday. Even something with no value means you outscore anyone that doesn’t offer anything.
  • Always offer to hang out or join you. Make the offer something that he will decline or wouldn’t want to do. You tend to get the potential availability points as if he were hanging out.
  • Phone calls give more points than texts.
  • Creativity points are not just for videos, graphics, art, etc…. Anything original typically scores well. It doesn’t actually have to be ‘media’ to get points.
  • Always over exaggerate how long something takes. The same goes for value. Everything costs more and took hours to do.
  • Publicity is easily staged. Getting one person not linked to DubPoints to mention DubPoints is a big deal. Include friends and you will score better than most.

Closing

With this very article being published, be on the lookout for changes to the system. More importantly, this could equalize the game for those who figured this out years prior.

John Wyatt Edgar using market to calculate DubPoints Scoring
The game will evolve and more importantly needs to evolve. By unveiling some of the easy hacks and strategies, we will force the contestants to utilize better planning and more effort. That should help bring better content, more publicity, and a healthier brand.

DubPoints has never been about John Wyatt Edgar. In fact, DubPoints has been about the contestants. DubPoints is Edgar’s social experiment to see how contestants could deal with random scoring, hidden rules, and a complicated algorithm. The winner was always the one that managed to uncover enough of the system to outlast the competition.

Today, we Decoded DubPoints. Therefore, we are all DubPoint Champions.

Decoding DubPoints Part One

Decoding DubPoints: Part One

By Eric Hersey

As many of you (probably don’t) know, I have participated and won two DubPoint tournaments. Before the tournaments, Edgar used some type of leaderboard. I participated, but had very little knowledge of what was going on – like most that are in these contests.

John Wyatt Edgar

I have known John Wyatt Edgar for many years. Most of it was in passing during our High School days, but the stories from Justin Benline were classic. John also enjoyed trolling my good friend. He instantly gained favor in my eyes.

Some of the best trolling of Justin Benline done in a DubPoints  contest.

John joined our fantasy football league in 2007 and that is where our real friendship formed. We saw each other at our annual draft (in the famous Martins Ferry Room at Wendy’s) and that was about it. This yearly meeting is what – I imagine – gained me access into DubPoints.

DubPoints 1.0

I am not a DubPoints historian, but from what I can remember, it was an anonymous scoring system that awarded points to anyone that came in contact with John Wyatt Edgar. I remember being tagged on Facebook and looking at a long spreadsheet of names. At the end of this contest, the person who had the most points was awarded the Championship or Trophy. It appears that Lance Delbrugge defeated Cheryl Harrison in July 2009.

John Wyatt Edgar shaking hands and presenting the DubPoints I trophy to Lance Delbrugge
John Wyatt Edgar shaking hands and presenting the DubPoints I trophy to Lance Delbrugge

Prior to the tournament format change, I participated but put forth very little effort or time. I would make an occasional graphic or social media post. You were competing against a field of individuals in a free-for-all and that just wasn’t as appealing as his newest concept.

At some point in time, John Wyatt Edgar came back to the Ohio Valley (previously in some Columbus area). I remember meeting with him and discussing the possibilities of DubPoints. It was on hiatus for a while and I urged him to bring it back. After several weeks/months of contemplating, he announced the return.

The Tournament

When John announced the tournament version, I was all in. Facing a person one-on-one sparked the competitiveness that was dormant for years. After schooling, there are very few contests that grown adults can compete in. Some might pick up hobbies, but often we just sit back and work. We might compete for promotions or incentives, but this was something different. The tournament felt like an athletic contest, where your skills and strategy directly impacted your ability to win.

The tournament was also a small sample of real life politics. Round by round, you could campaign against your opponent to gain favor. Small rivalries would form and people would be invested in this fake-dumb contest.

Early tournament Photoshop and graphic work done by Eric Hersey (prior to many of the apps available to make easy MEMEs today.)

As people were eliminated, you gain followers, supporters, and alliances. Many of friendships were made from DubPoints. Facebook invites and Twitter follows were abundant.

With a one-on-one format, this made things incredibly tense and difficult for John Wyatt Edgar. Feelings were doubtfully going to be hurt by the loser of this 64-person tournament. The first few tournaments might have marked the glory days of DubPoints.

In 2015 I made my last attempt at a DubPoints Tournament Championship. Some of Bobby Casserole’s best work.

Championship Belts and Games

The Tournaments started to fizzle. I found myself wanting out after several. The cost of putting time, effort, creativity, value, and publicity forced many people out after several days. The tide started shifting to small contests within the game. The championship final between Luke Bumbico and myself (Eric Hersey) ended in a game of Monopoly.

John Edgar saw this trend and moved to the next phase and transitioned into a ‘pro wrestling’ format. He would name champions and have them compete in monthly/quarterly battles. This was a great concept – but the audience was limited.

The tournament always started with at least 64 people interested (or involved). We audience always trickled down by the final four. Once most people were eliminated, they didn’t come back to see what else was going on. In the championship format, you might only have 6-8 people interested. This is not enough to sustain a successful audience.

John Wyatt Edgar showcasing the DubPoints Fantasy Championship Belt
John Wyatt Edgar showcasing the DubPoints Fantasy Championship Belt

Edgar adapted once more and started bringing in more by using Fantasy Sports. He would have a league for almost every sport and would name a new champion for each league. These individuals might not have an understanding of classic DubPoints, but they were now involved.

Tournament 2.0

The Famous John Wyatt Edgar Wheel
The Famous John Wyatt Edgar Wheel (or variation of it.)

We are in the now. Tournament 2.0 has evolved from the previous games. John Wyatt Edgar’s infamous Wheel has taken over. A wheel of chance now decides many of the matchups. While some rely on old scoring (Value, Effort, Publicity, Creativity, Availability), others go right to the wheel for a 50/50 chance to move forward.

Also, instead of a full week of competition for each round, Edgar has moved that to a two-day window. There is less time to slack, but also less content you are forced to create.

The new tournament has created a feeling of randomness and hope for many. The veterans can compete again, knowing that they can move on with little effort. The underdogs can win by using the wheel or catching the OGs off guard. We have already witnessed a 16-seed move on and the rebirth of several longtime DubPoint competitors.

DubPoints might be back to its former self, while also evolving to make a better game. This might be the time to invest and become a member of the community.

Decoding DubPoints: Part Two – How to Win coming next.